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Summary of Question:	Reply To Ur Responce To Not Eating Flesh
Category:	General Sikhism
Date Posted:	Wednesday, 10/15/2003 9:20 AM MDT

Vahiguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vahiguru Jee Kee Fateh

The meat debate must be as tiring to the moderators as it is to the readers. The same issues, the same responses. The moderators as always have done a wonderful job of communicating the beliefs of the faith accurately.

If you permit me, I would like to respond to just one comment raised in this post:

<Also I would like to say, how would it have been possible for worrier’s defending our right to freedom in the time of the Gurus, to not eat meat, as that is how they would have obtained the essential proteins to build mussel and become strong enough to fight for our freedom, from the Mogul oppression. After all I don’t think they had protein shakes and mussel building powders back then. >

In Sri Guru Granth Sahib, on Ank 284-11 in Rag Gauri, Guru Nanak in his fifth Mahal as Guru Arjan gives us the hukam, "NAAM is the support of all the creatures. Naam is the support of the earth and the solar systems. Naam is the support of the Smirtees, the Vedas and the Puranas (ancient religious texts). Naam is the support by which we hear of spiritual wisdom and meditation........." (please read the entire hukam in Sri Guru Granth Sahib http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/0284.html)

The support for the sikhs of yore was not meat to build muscles as you suggest, but Naam. You can buy more meat in the super markets today than you could in those times, yet today if you tell the Indus River to stop as you have want to cross it, it will not stop. However, Hari Singh Nalwa, the general of Maharaja Ranjit Singh wanted it to stop so that his forces could cross it on their way to Kabul and it did. Today if you tell the Jamuna at Paonta Sahib to stop making a noise as it hurtles through, it will not. Yet when the kalgidhar was sitting down to record the Bani from the Dargah of the Akal Purakh (called Jaap Sahib today), and he told the Jamuna to quieten down it did.

Sikhs of yore and even the darbar sahib shaheeds of 1984 were able to take on odds far superior to their means, simply because they had followed the first rehat of the sikh, to take khande da pahul of the kalgidhar. They had Kamooed (worked on) the hukam of Guru Ram Dass on Ank 305-16 in Rag Gauri that "One who calls himself a sikh of the guru, shall rise at Amrit Vela and meditate on the Akal Purakhs name..............(please read the entire hukam in Sri Guru Granth Sahib http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/0305.html)

Having offered their heads to Guru Nanak in compliance of the hukam set out in Ank 1412-20, Svaiay Mehl 5, Saloks in excess of Vaars, Mehala 1, Shalok 20 "If you want to play the game of love with me, then step into my path with your head (thoughts at the time of Guru Nanak, thoughts and physical head in the time of Guru Nanak in his tenth mahal as Guru Gobind Singh)in the palm of your hand. When you place your feet on this Path give me your head and do not pay any attention to public opinion," the Guru takes them in his refuge.

(Please read the entire hukam on http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1412.html)

And now what is the power of this Guru?

Guru Nanak Sahib in his fifth mahal explains in Ank 614-13 in Rag Sorath..." Mritak koo paeeiou taan sasaaa....He infuses breath into dead bodies and reunites the separated ones (separated from the Akal Purakh).Even beasts, demons and fools become attentive listeners, when he sings the praises of the lords name. Behold the Greatness of the true Perfect Guru, his worth cannot be described..............(speaking about the devotee who attaches to the Guru, the Guru explains) He becomes FEARLESS and his heart is filled with NAAM, his mind is pleasing to the True Guru.......(as previously I would encourage you to read this entire hukam in Sri Guru Granth Sahib http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/0614.html)

So this Guru, who is all powerful connects you to NAAM. And as set out in the first paragraph it is NAAM that is the support of the ENTIRE universe, and that includes the 8.4 million species, the solar systems, the galaxies and so many other creations that one cannot comprehend.

Therefore, the fearlessness of a Sikh comes not from eating meat, but being united with the Guru through the khande da pahul, through the hukams of Sri Guru Granth Sahib so that the Guru gives him NAAM. That is Amrit - that is what makes you immortal. Your comings and goings from this world through the medium of a body composed of 5 elements (which will always disintegrate) ends. You are then reunited with the source of creation, the Creator, the Akal Purakh.

Trust that clarifies how much meat eating helps us in becoming "warriors against oppression." I seek forgiveness for any mistakes in understanding / communicating the Gurus hukams.

Humbly

Hargurmit Singh
hargurmitsingh@hotmail.com

(REPLY) Sat Nam. Thank you for providing these wonderful words of our Guru. SP